CQB Roller Dome Test Rules Vote

Just a quick vote on ammo rules for the CQB games this spring. Since this is really aimed at ultra-realism, it is in our interest to follow up with realistic ammo load counts. There is rarely an excuse to only use high-caps, and all other mags can be loaded at any count required. If you want to debate not being able to get mags, I will happily argue till the cows come home, in fact, I will even give away free armalite 85rnd mags to people (you can get them for around $3 each from Redwolf...)

We are not here to spray each out in full auto with 100's of rounds per mag. Not only is this not realistic but very dangerous in the CQB environment. The less ammo a person has on them, the better, causing the individual to think before they shoot and conserve their shots.

For a quick example of CQB rules for training, check out TTAC3, the premier Canadain CQB training facility:

http://ttac3.factoronto.com/rules.htm

-Doug

Agree with the use of real mags but don't forget 3 bbs fall out in each mags except Type89s lol.

Does this also mean reduction of mag carry for cqb?

Yeah, that 3 BB's left in is such a pain in the @$$. Sometimes it is more, sometimes it is less. (cough cough, PTW's don't have this problem)

As for the amount of mags carried, knock yourself out. If you want to load your rig up with 30 mags, go ahead, it will just be heavy and tiring. The thing is, if we are using real count, you will be swapping mags like a mad-man if you feel like it. This means most likely swap and drop, so put your name on your mags!


-Doug

You're just giving me more cqb weapons ideas

Is that a para-AUG in your sig?


If people are bored, I am curious what people have for CQB style weapons and what people feel constitutes as a CQB weapon.

-Doug

I would say overall length of weapon with the stock in a useable postion make it CQB savy. With bull pups and other set-ups it's hard to say that inner barrel makes or breaks it for CQB.

From what I have seen on youtube for CQB training armies use whatever they have avialable. I've seen AUGs, AK's, M16's and everything else used in house clearing. Seems like an effective techinique does more than a short gun.

What do we do for those who really cannot get enough lows? Do we say that high caps must shoot semi only?

Yeah, that is why I am interested in what people are using. If we have a bunch of armalites, then we can share mags, same for the AK's. I have a spare G36 magwell too, etc. etc. People have over a month to make arrangements to get more mags. They are very cheap compared to previous years (remember a TM mag was $55 and the only thing available, urgh...)

If a person only has 1 highcap, and there is nothing else made for their gun, then yeah, semi works. But seriously, I don't know of a single gun that does not have normal spring mags available, no matter the capacity (ie CA M14 mids). Even if a person plays with 3 lows, that is great, some of the competitions out east limit the player to 4 mags a run anyways.


-Doug

Can you tell I don't want to go and buy a box of AK mags? I can get a box of 5 100bb mags for $70...I should be OK.

Question on safty stuff. Are mesh goggles allowed? We had batted around the idea that they were not before. If they are not then can they be worn with glasses underneath? The worry is not blow thoughs but fragments that would have very little velocity.

Yeah, I agree Dave, mesh, especially at these close of ranges, could definitely poises a fragment potential, especially since not everyone uses quality BB's. Most indoor ranges are paintball, but they do have a point of sealed goggles only, even face shields are never a bad idea, or at least some sort of covering.

We really need to get more club input on this, both for safety gear and ammo restrictions. Unless of course people actually agree with what is being said.

-Doug

=Daes= wrote:

Is that a para-AUG in your sig?


If people are bored, I am curious what people have for CQB style weapons and what people feel constitutes as a CQB weapon.

-Doug

Doug, there is no definition of CQB weapons just requirement what consider a certain gun to be a CQB.

Any gun with minimum barrel length of less than 18" inch is consider CQB friendly. Doesn't mean 10.5 is cqb its just personal preference with cqb advantages.

Yes, I have AUG and its TM SYSTEAM PHANTOM AUG I would love to get rid of lol

I have no problem with going to locap ammo limits. My concern is that I run with midcaps mostly and I'm not going to buy a second set of locap mags for all my guns. If people are ok with me loading my mids to locap ammo counts then I'm good.

Definitely agree on the mesh goggles in CQB, we should go goggles, or paintball masks only.

thoughts on safety glasses under mesh? I really don't want to buy another 3 sets of paintball goggles for my renters.

There should be no problem 1/2 loading mags. If we can't trust you to do that then we probably can't trust you to call your hits either.

Yeah, Smith, I am not going to buy a bunch of lows either, let alone none available for the PTW anyways. Just have to load with the stick loader thingy and tape a real count line.

As for Yuu, yeah, I know there is no definition of what "CQB" weapon is so that is why I am asking what people consider to be one. You are defining it on a basis on barrel length. Bullpup owners I am sure argue on a basis of over-all gun length.

Interesting article griping about some CQB problems for Marines:
http://www.forcerecon.com/strongmenarmed3.htm

-Doug

=Daes= wrote:

Yeah, Smith, I am not going to buy a bunch of lows either, let alone none available for the PTW anyways. Just have to load with the stick loader thingy and tape a real count line.

As for Yuu, yeah, I know there is no definition of what "CQB" weapon is so that is why I am asking what people consider to be one. You are defining it on a basis on barrel length. Bullpup owners I am sure argue on a basis of over-all gun length.

Interesting article griping about some CQB problems for Marines:
http://www.forcerecon.com/strongmenarmed3.htm

-Doug

Just fill in 33bbs for typical AEG while you can load 30 for your systema Doug.

Hopefully I have some compact for roller dome in April or whenever. I say Mp5 is my thing

MP5 you say Yuu. Boy, if they ever... get that PTW MP5 out...

Awhhh, come on Yuu, from what I hear, the AUG is a great CQB weapon!!! Seriously though, you have been cycling through a lot of guns, anything that sticks with you as cool?

You could always come to the Armalite side (at least you swap mags with your team-mates):


-Doug

I wouldn't play on the same team as the guy that uses that gun...

Speaking of ugly guns, what are you using for the CQB Dave?

You have a MP5, 2 G36's, an AK, and the AUG. Anything that tickles your fancy or you are just going to use them all (at once)?

-Doug

Speaking of ugly guns, what are you using for the CQB Dave?

You have a MP5, 2 G36's, an AK, and the AUG. Anything that tickles your fancy or you are just going to use them all (at once)?

-Doug

my springer pistol...if I get a kill I want them to feal shame.

Hortons Heros wrote:

my springer pistol...if I get a kill I want them to feal shame.

Rubber knife and yell demeaning insults at them. What could be worse than that?

Maybe having an 8 year old girl knife-kill them and then yell demeaning insults.

BTW, CQB PTW FTW!!

Hortons Heros wrote:

my springer pistol...if I get a kill I want them to feal shame.

Don't remain me, there was story about me in North Van CQB field.. LOL I know Geoff will spoil it to everyone.

Yeah Doug! I heard Systema going to finally step in for Mp5 now probably going to be the same price as their M16/M4. I'm always having hard time keeping guns its just i'm quite picky

My minimum for AEG requirement;

1.) Capability and ally-friendly with STANAG Magazine
2.) Available parts and upgrades
3.) Nothing over 16 inch of barrel length
4.) Easy to strip.. Like a lady
5.) GL compatible
6.) Lefty friendly.. I know i'm a demon so what?
7.) Must fit ACU uniform well.

Bwa ha ha ha ha ACU!! Awesome requirements. Yeah, hopefully the MP5 is cool, but I am not sure it will be worth the price...

-Doug

=Daes= wrote:

Bwa ha ha ha ha ACU!! Awesome requirements. Yeah, hopefully the MP5 is cool, but I am not sure it will be worth the price...

-Doug

Pfft you were wearing ACU too lol

Yeah yeah yeah. Makes me wonder what I will wear for the CQB... I have had a hard time finding anything super comfortable for fast movement. Also, debating on a CIRAS or not, if no armor rules, then kinda bulky.

-Doug

Akimbo G18c's... Woohoo! That or I might have to fix the Uzi again...