Posible Side Arm.

I'm trying to diside between a GBB or a AEP.
I'm not sure if I want to go with the WE Highcappa 5.1 Dragon or a Glock AEP.

I like the fact that the Dragon comes upgraded, and I have great respect for the regular highcappa after being shot in the forehead. I don't like propane or CO2. I'm not sure how many shots a CO2 canister is good for but it seems like a waste If you only get one magazine worth of shots from it. I don't like propane because of the smell, it atracts bugs and I just don't like it.

I realy like the idea of an atomatic, but the batteries are small and don't last long. and they aren't very powerful.

I'm not sure what I want and I'm looking for the openions of those who own and have used these, not the ideas of those that haven't. no offense intended by that.

Check with Wayne on the CO2 with the Hi Capa... last time I played with him it was -10 and he was getting atleast 2 mags worth... but I hear that it's kicking too hard with CO2 in warmer temps...as for the AEP, they do shoot slow, something like 40fps slower, but with the ability of full auto... come on... your choice... I hear the dragon is hard to get a hold of... this true? Umm PM either horton or buzzz as they both own one... I recall someone else as well...

you are talking side arm here so the small battery shouldn't bother you too much. I would (and have) go with the AEP, I don't know why I hate gas but I do. To many things can go wrong but then agian look at China's MK23, he played all temps and it did OK.

THe full auto is sweet on the AEPs but you can get that in some gas stuff too. I hate having to refill mags with gas and load BBs. Lock and load with a battery and a few mags. The AEP is shooting around 200-220 but like the UZI it has a really nice hop-up system that carriers the bbs really far. You have been on the recieving end of my AEP so you know. They also have a great rate of fire! I would vote glock AEP.

This may be the wrong post, but since you were talking about GBB's, does anyone know where Horton's propane adaptor is?? And after firing both, and being hit by both, I lean towards the GBB...although the gas is short lasting in the winter, and the smell is somewhat bad....you get better shot for shot accuracy, at least i did, and better fps stock it seems...that's just my two cents...

I would recommend a Canadian Tire plastic springer. If you are close enough to be using a side arm, you pull out your little plastic gun and go, "Bang Bang".

I have never needed to use a side-arm. This does not ever mean that I never will, I just have never ran into a situation where I really needed one, at least a shooting one.

From being on the receiving end of everyone elses sidearms, I personally like the C02 the best, and it ran through at least 2 mags per capsule, shot at 400 fps, and was loud. On the flip-side, the only side-arm that I have feared is the complete opposite, the Silenced SOCOM. This side arm was able to shoot at me from a distance in which I could not hear from where it was shooting.

-Doug

gryph is in custody of the propaine adaptor, i lent him my 5.1 to demolish people wile im away

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First you have to clarify if you mean one of the new generation of AEP's from TM or if you mean one of those really cheap ones that run on AA batteries. The newer TM ones that use a rechargeable battery, like Dave's, have way better fps and hopups than the cheap AA crap. So if it's one of those AA guns, don't bother.

I haven't personally used an AEP, but I lean towards the GBB. I love my hicapas. Primarily because the GBB realism kicks ass! In addition they both worked great on CO2 in the winter, when Green gas guns wouldn't fire properly. And since it's warmed up I can run Green gas/propane with no problems. My only complaint is that the slide on my baby hicapa 3.8 doesn't cycle properly on CO2 when it gets warm outside. Kind of a moot point as propane is much cheaper to use than CO2 once the weather permits.

The drawbacks to AEP's as I see it:
Small battery & limited battery life
Relatively poor fps
Relatively expensive for a sidearm
Limited effectiveness as a primary if required to be used as such
Plastic / Not very realistic
Reduced battery life in cold weather

The benefits of AEP's
Cheaper to run / no gas required
Full auto (although there are some really nice full auto Glock GBB guns)
Lower maintenance (less cleaning required)

If you like full auto, I'd look at some of the full metal Glocks. They are supposed to kick serious ass and will probably cost about as much as a good AEP anyway.

But basically, like Daes said, it is just a sidearm and likely won't get a lot of use unless we start using gun hit rules (we do in FSJ). So it comes down to personal preference.

Doug... next time I'm down, Spork and I will teach you to fear the Hicapa!!!

I agree with daes on the use of a side arm. Mine usually just sits tight on my vest.... wait I used it last game, but didn't even take a shot with it. If you want to spend the extra cash to get the dragon go right ahead. I think an AEP would come out cheaper in the long run. But I also agree with Wayne, it's plastic... plastic VS full metal. Your choice, I've played with both and much prefer a GBB. There's just something about having the satifyig click and bang of your slide moving that gets me going...

My advice, go with a AEP, it's cheaper, why spend lots on a side arm that your not going to use? Unless of course your planning on using it a lot...

Wow, I can't believe that people are kinda of agreeing with me, thanks. Ego increasing in size. Of course, I am going to regret this when I get wasted from everyones GBB's next game. Thinking of that, that would make an interesting game, Doug vs. everyone with GBB's, lol.

Another alternative to having a side arm is getting a grenade launcher. Getting a rail launcher or the specially designed AK launcher would give you an excellent edge in battle and would be way more effective than a GBB (probably debatable on this one).

-Doug

over all I would say spend the money on gear and get a springer or something cheap. I wore my springer 1911 all winter and never fired it once.

A good option would be smiths clear plastic (now painted) USP. It was CO2, shot over 300fps and around $100 (springer pistols cost that much). What are you thoughts after using that little USP Smith?

In a CQB situation I can imagine a side arm being handy for tight spots but not for the stuff that we play. Distances are really far when we engage so there is usually time to reload and unless you are playing a sniper role you probably will never reach for your sidearm. They look nice but cost ALLOT. $300 is a really nice set of cadpat with a tac vest.

Or a 1 CIRAS vest...

grenade launchers:

heres my views on them, when i got mine il write a review.

PROs:
-shoots varied amounts of BBs depending on what size of grenade you get
(68, 120, 168...)
-can take out multiple targets
-CQB, can clear rooms like a fart after chinese food
-looks awsome
-adds +3 manlyness points to your gun

CONs:
-chews through gas (especially if you have more than 1 grenade)
-chews through BBs (especially if you have more than 1 grenade)
-can be clumsy or awkward if not used to it
-HELLA EXPENSIVE for grenades!!! im paying over $120 each for mine)


Muahahaha, Mrs. Claws and Amy will wreak havick, like power rangers that join together, but not so yatta...MUAHAHAHA

Spork

lol, wonderful allusions

-Doug

thanks for the advice and reviews. I'm still not sure, I think it will depend on price and availabity. I'm thinking the automatic glock but I'm going to try and check the price on the dragon.

I don't think I'm going to mount a grenade launcher to my spetsnaz.

just my opinion but i dont like the look, looks kinda wierd, kina not right

Kinda...Russian

I think Double Edge Airsoft has the dragons listed for $215. If you wanted a CO2 mag it would likely cost another $60-$70.

I like the gren. launcher idea, but it's more of an assault weapon than a backup, and it's relatively slow to reload so basically you have one shot. In addition, if we play with gun hits, you're primary is down including the gren. launcher attached to it.

One of the FSJ guys has a gren. launcher and it's pretty finicky to load bb's and gas into the shells. On occasion half the bb's fall out, or the shell leaks the gas out or fires off while loading the shell. The last time I watched him load a shell with bb's and gas, the shell fired into his face while he was putting the gas in. Not cool!

My cheap CO2 pistol is one of the FP ones that Army Surplus Kelowna http://www.armysurpluskelowna.com/soft_air.html has for $99. The mags are pretty cheap, but the gun fires very well and seems more accurate because of the lack of blowback. I get close to 100 shots with a single CO2 cartridge and it shoots around 350fps. It's actually turned out to be a pretty decent gun, and shoots way better than any of my springers. The only drawback is the small mag, it only holds 15 bb's. But at least you don't have to cock it for every shot.

It comes clear, but once you put a spiffy camo paintjob on it, it doesn't look too bad.

EDIT: Wayne I fixed your link for yah buddy

Those Russian guns look like copies of WW1 machine guns. A Lewis gun and a Vickers like they used to mount on biplanes.

Well, some of the launcher are removable. Do the rules allow the removal of accessories if the gun is hit? Rail launcher and gun launchers can be stand alone weapons.

Railed:


Take your minilauncher off and you get this:


Railed pistol launcher:


Another:


Mini Launcher:


Lots of cool stuff out there that can be removable and standalone.

-Doug

I agree, very cool looking. I'm not sure about the gun hit rules re. removing the launcher. Standard procedure is that if you're gun is hit, you lay it down and switch to your sidearm if you have one. If you don't have one, you could alternatively borrow one from a team-mate or call yourself hit. Personally I love having a sidearm, whether I have an opportunity to use it or not. I've had a few kills with my hicapa, and it's lots of fun to play with pistols akimbo.