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PostSubject: American Insurance Safety stuff   American Insurance Safety stuff EmptyMon 10 Dec 2007, 12:42 pm

http://www.paintball-apl.com/PDF%20Files/2007/AIRSOFT-FIELD.pdf

interesting read for those who are interested in airsoft safety. Please comment on anything you think that we should adopt or get rid of as a club.
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PostSubject: Re: American Insurance Safety stuff   American Insurance Safety stuff EmptyMon 10 Dec 2007, 1:13 pm

We already have the safety rules they state. We do not require full face coverage though, nor should we, fogging is more dangerous than facial penetration. Also, since we do not run things like a paintball field, those excess field rules are moot point.

I think that the system that we have spent the last few years creating works for the club and is able to expand upon it as new things come up. Those rules are more for a company than a club. Mind you, if at any point we do get a developed field, then yeah, this is a valuable tool.

Now, if we could get a piece of land, it is good to know that insurance companies are paying attention to Airsoft now and recognize it. Anyone feeling entrepreneurial?


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PostSubject: Re: American Insurance Safety stuff   American Insurance Safety stuff EmptyMon 10 Dec 2007, 1:23 pm

we are often the ones looking after safety at the paintball field as we only really run when they are not there. Making sure that if anyone leaves the shack at predator that they have goggles on to use the chrono etc. I do think we need to work on safety zones when we play in a place that does not have anything set-up.

we need to get sticky on barrel bags agian. If I have them for my 4 rentals then others can get them for their guns as well.

it is nice to see that we are (for the most part) meeting the standards that are accepted by insurance companies in the USA.
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PostSubject: Re: American Insurance Safety stuff   American Insurance Safety stuff EmptyMon 10 Dec 2007, 1:29 pm

Yeah, we have been pretty comprehensive on our rules. The only unfortunate thing is that we have issues enforcing them. Barrel bags are a piece of cake, proper googles no prob, safeties on yep, but getting people to do it is difficult. We all get tired at the end of the day and occasionally slip up.

Mind you, with the potential CQB place, we MUST enforce these rules due to the ease in which BB's will ricochet off the walls.

Maybe we will have to sit down and do a revision after the first day of CQB and see what needs to be worked on.

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PostSubject: Re: American Insurance Safety stuff   American Insurance Safety stuff EmptyMon 10 Dec 2007, 1:39 pm

There really won't be a safe zone in the same sense as we have in the bush. We are all stuck in the same building so...

-Barrel bags on until everyone has shown that goggles are on.
-Goggles can only be removed once everyone has proven that barrel bags are on.
-Guns must have barrel bags on when they are removed from cases/bags etc
-Anyone taking off goggles or removing barrel bags before the game leader gives permission will be given a warning or asked to put their equipment away depending on circumstance.
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PostSubject: Re: American Insurance Safety stuff   American Insurance Safety stuff EmptyMon 10 Dec 2007, 2:19 pm

Many fields in Alberta require mags to be out of the gun when in the safe zone. Almost nobody requires a barrel cap, except in Olds. The province seems to be split on eyewear. EAR requires sealed goggles, while JOC and RAAT do not, for the most part. We don't require selaed gogles either.

I've seen BBs penetrate the foam on the side of a paintball goggle and ricochet around on the inside, causing slight injury. I have never seen a BB penetrate the side of decent safety glasses. In bush play, fogging is the THE biggest hazard, not only for trip and fall injurries, but for the need to remove your eyewear to remove the fogging. When your stuck in the bush and you can't see, you have no choice but to remove your eyewear. This leaves you unprotected.
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PostSubject: Re: American Insurance Safety stuff   American Insurance Safety stuff EmptyMon 10 Dec 2007, 2:27 pm

I didn't realize that some clubs don't use sealed googles. I was always under the impression that the Canada standard was sealed tactical or PB goggles.


Even with mags out we've had guns go off with chambered rounds inside a safe zone and shots ricochet around inside...scary stuff. That is mostly poor trigger control. We started using barrel bags right after that.

Playing at paintball fields it's just easier to adopt their standards of safety like sealed goggles and barrel bags.
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PostSubject: Re: American Insurance Safety stuff   American Insurance Safety stuff EmptyMon 10 Dec 2007, 2:43 pm

You can always drop the mag and clear the weapon prior to entering the safe zone. But when you consider that you have people who, alot of the time, have never handled a real weapon and don't use common sense, it's unavoidable that accidental discharges are going to happen. I never had to buy a barrel cap until this year when I went to Olds for the first time. I got lucky as a guy was selling a G&G blank fire adapter that used to come with pre-2005 guns. Bets $1 I ever spent.

I have a set of paintball goggles that I never use and they end up being loaners, a set of Bolle T800 that I only use if required (and they don't fog as long as they stay attached to my face the entire day and don't move), but for every other time, it's safety glasses. The Bolles are the only gogles I've tried that don't fog up like crazy, and I went through a few pairs until I got those 2 years ago.
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PostSubject: Re: American Insurance Safety stuff   American Insurance Safety stuff EmptyMon 10 Dec 2007, 11:06 pm

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I didn't realize that some clubs don't use sealed googles. I was always under the impression that the Canada standard was sealed tactical or PB goggles.

Never was an impression in Canada. Op-for is one example of needed the use of Seal goggles because the field is paintball field that is rented out for Op-for in Panthers, this is because paintball owners are afraid of accidentally fire from paintball hitting airsoft players during two different games taking place thus worst case is that paint leaking into the eye on impact.

The other thing with barrel condom wasn't because of someone being trigger happy it is also because of paintball field = paintball rules. If you can't keep your dirty fingers off the trigger during safe you shouldn't be owning airsoft gun let alone a real one.

If Op-for had choice it would be anything ballistic or any goggles certified for over 500 fps.

But of course my eyes aren't worth 15 bucks unlike some people lol!


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PostSubject: Re: American Insurance Safety stuff   American Insurance Safety stuff EmptyTue 11 Dec 2007, 12:27 am

I thought that we had made the sealed goggles our standard, in fact I remember sitting at Kelly O's and us saying that we were going to one up the standard in Canada... just for the record...
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PostSubject: Re: American Insurance Safety stuff   American Insurance Safety stuff EmptyTue 11 Dec 2007, 1:04 am

I still regret not getting the pacho's that night...stupid Gerren...
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PostSubject: Re: American Insurance Safety stuff   American Insurance Safety stuff EmptyTue 11 Dec 2007, 1:08 am

Hey, I told you to, don't put that on me Horton, but I do remember my nachos being pretty darn good!
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PostSubject: Re: American Insurance Safety stuff   American Insurance Safety stuff EmptyTue 11 Dec 2007, 8:11 pm

Sealed googles. We decided on it, we have been enforcing it, no need to further discuss it Smile . It works and requires players to look at investing in gear.

Now, barrel bags are the same story. We have discussed it, decided upon the implementation, and have been trying to enforce it. Mind you, we still have not had a proper follow up conversation regarding these things. I am indifferent to them and rarely remember to put them back on, taking a bit to get used to them, but elsewise I think they are a good idea.

As for trigger control, we REALLY need to constantly remind everyone of the importance. Do it in photos, do it in games, do it until everyone is very clear on its importance.

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