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PostSubject: Club FPS   Club FPS EmptyWed 07 Mar 2007, 9:08 pm

This list is a quick compile of everyones FPS with .2g BBs. This is both stock and upgraded. Please specify brand (TM being the most favored so far).
= non-branded custom (51% non-standard parts, ie both body and mechbox).

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Beach_Boy-
TM M-14 ~375fps
TM M733 ~280fps
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Buddley-
TM M-14 ~320fps
TM MK23 SOCOM NBB ~350fps
TM SIG552 ~330fps
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C8 ~390fps
TM MP5K ~280fps
TM MP5J ~280fps
TM M4A1 ~280fps
TM M23 ~330fps?
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AR/X ~420fps
G36 RAS ~350fps
TM M16 ~280fps
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Hortons-
TM-AUG ~330fps
TM-AK-74 ~280fps
TM-G36c ~280fps
KWC model elite ~220fps
TM Ruger 89 ~190fps
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Jackboot-
G&P M4 ~380fps
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Smith-
TM P90 ~335fps
ICS C15 ~380fps
TM G36 ~280fps
KJW M700 ~300-500fps
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PostSubject: Re: Club FPS   Club FPS EmptyWed 21 Mar 2007, 5:44 am

just chronoed my c8..it fires at 390fps...the rest are stock..for now...but right now...

mp5k, mp5-j, m4a1 fire at 280fps

m23 - 330fps?
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PostSubject: Re: Club FPS   Club FPS EmptyWed 21 Mar 2007, 12:24 pm

Thanks, numbers are added, besides the C8, what brands are the other guns?

Also, everyone, if you get your gun chrono'd this weekend, post your numbers here for future reference.

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PostSubject: Re: Club FPS   Club FPS EmptyWed 21 Mar 2007, 3:34 pm

all of them are TM...the c8 was a TM but everything is upgraded..i guess i can't really call it TM..maybe systema?
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PostSubject: Re: Club FPS   Club FPS EmptyWed 21 Mar 2007, 5:19 pm

chinese_gunman wrote:
all of them are TM...the c8 was a TM but everything is upgraded..i guess i can't really call it TM..maybe systema?

Yeah, I think that I am going to make a new mark for complete customs, . When over 50% of the gun in non-stock (ie both body and mechbox), then for ease of purpose, I will mark it .

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PostSubject: Re: Club FPS   Club FPS EmptyWed 21 Mar 2007, 6:01 pm

I have a sweet custom spring...does that count?
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PostSubject: Re: Club FPS   Club FPS EmptyWed 21 Mar 2007, 6:10 pm

Hortons Heros wrote:
I have a sweet custom spring...does that count?

lol, well, at least it ain't stock Razz I just don't want to be calling guns SystemA if there mechbox is but their body is guarder, their front is King Arms, etc. There are SystemA guns, but nobody here has the PTW.

If I tried, there is no name for that one AR something gun I have. There is nothing stock in it, it is a horrible mess of half a dozen brands and shoots about as well as a mess gun... (well, it is fixed up now, but boy the semi is un-reliable, it is more like 3round burst).

I think that it is interesting that so many TM's are used in this club. Is it just because we all started with TM or we like them?

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PostSubject: Re: Club FPS   Club FPS EmptySat 24 Mar 2007, 7:18 pm

Just got back from a game out here in sask and I got a chance to chrono my guns...
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PostSubject: Re: Club FPS   Club FPS EmptySat 24 Mar 2007, 8:06 pm

beach_boy wrote:
Just got back from a game out here in sask and I got a chance to chrono my guns...

Nice! That M14 is going to be great to play against/with!

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PostSubject: Re: Club FPS   Club FPS EmptySat 24 Mar 2007, 9:28 pm

Yah it was awesome, there were 3 out there today, and man this is a huge difference between .20's and .25's... dang... gotta get me some .25's
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PostSubject: Re: Club FPS   Club FPS EmptySat 24 Mar 2007, 9:36 pm

ill have to crono my thompson once i get some .2s unless Dave knows what fps its shooting lol . it was 235 with .25s

Edit: its new and stock and its a tm


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PostSubject: Re: Club FPS   Club FPS EmptySat 24 Mar 2007, 9:53 pm

If its a new stock TM then it'll be around 280...
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PostSubject: Re: Club FPS   Club FPS EmptySun 25 Mar 2007, 2:05 am

According to the FPS math, you will be shooting ~262.4 FPS with .2g, or roughly 80mps. Mind you, .25g will knock a few FPS off, so you will prolly be around ~265fps. Time for an upgrade, (talk to Dave)!

Would you like to retest with .2's or just use the conversion?

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PostSubject: Re: Club FPS   Club FPS EmptySun 25 Mar 2007, 2:09 am

Man that seems slow... maybe he had his hopup turned up?? Anyways, Bloodsport and a few other guys were discussing the difference between .20's and .25's... conclusion... not much difference... hmm
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PostSubject: Re: Club FPS   Club FPS EmptySun 25 Mar 2007, 2:19 am

beach_boy wrote:
Man that seems slow... maybe he had his hopup turned up?? Anyways, Bloodsport and a few other guys were discussing the difference between .20's and .25's... conclusion... not much difference... hmm

Well, I have tested with a near "perfect" system of the best parts money can buy for internals, hop-up, and barrel, with .12, .2, .25, and .28, and yeah, the effect is minimal, but there is FPS lost, usually within mear feet. Conclusion, yeah, go with the heavier weight, a loss of 5fps (on top of normal calculated FPS) is worth the superior accuracy and brush cutting.

Mind, for his case, don't forget that unless you take a mean/standard deviation of 10+ shots, most stock guns tend to vary by 20fps per shot (again another reason to upgrade and use heavier shot, less FPS varience).

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PostSubject: Re: Club FPS   Club FPS EmptySun 25 Mar 2007, 1:36 pm

okay so Dave what should i buy to up this things fps??
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PostSubject: Re: Club FPS   Club FPS EmptySun 25 Mar 2007, 1:59 pm

I would just get a tightbore. It would give you better accuracy and maybe 20 more fps.

Edit: Horton, my m4 is shooting 380.
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PostSubject: Re: Club FPS   Club FPS EmptySun 25 Mar 2007, 2:35 pm

20fps seems a little high for just a tightbore. I got 10fps from mine going in and that was high too. Most make it go up 5-10

I can put in metal bushings and a harder spring for around $50 (give or take $10). That will take it up to either 300-330-350...choice it yours.
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PostSubject: Re: Club FPS   Club FPS EmptySun 25 Mar 2007, 2:35 pm

Jackboot, I added your fps to the list for you, I left it as a G&P(hope I got the bramd right) because I took a look at the custom build on the website and its just custom built out of G&P parts anyways...
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PostSubject: Re: Club FPS   Club FPS EmptySun 25 Mar 2007, 2:48 pm

id like it shooting around 330 . would u have to order in anything or do you have the stuff in town. also would that wear out the gun faster?

also is there anyone intown that sells lub for these guns?
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PostSubject: Re: Club FPS   Club FPS EmptySun 25 Mar 2007, 6:12 pm

Depends on what lube your talking about... gearbox yes and no, hopup and barrel yes.

Any upgrades will wear your gun out, that is the downside of upgrading. Doesn't matter what you put into it, upgrades will wear things out. Especially if the stuff you get put in don't go well together...
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PostSubject: Re: Club FPS   Club FPS EmptyWed 28 Mar 2007, 4:52 pm

This thing usefull here at all?

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PostSubject: Re: Club FPS   Club FPS EmptyWed 28 Mar 2007, 5:38 pm

Nice graph. Of course, these are just calculated numbers from an equation, so technical they are on some logrithmatic curve so no, there really is no difference in BB weight and FPS varience (that is why they fan out so proportionally). The graph does not take into consideration initial acceleration speeds in the barrel, thus heavier BB's take the same proportional initial energy to fire, which is not true.

We need to do our own in house graph, not one that is just an equation. I think MadMax did something...

Mind you, that does explain why you get more FPS to joules between BB weight at higher speeds, thus falsifying my current hypothesis of weight to FPS loss.

Good find, we will have to hunt down some more.

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PostSubject: Re: Club FPS   Club FPS EmptyThu 10 May 2007, 11:07 pm

My ICS m4 is shooting 330fps according to Mcguyver.
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PostSubject: Re: Club FPS   Club FPS EmptyFri 11 May 2007, 2:14 am

Yes, it should be. The MS110 spring if you install it should be pushing it up to the 390ish area.

I can see that your chart stops right at the are that my Systemas are running with the M150 kit. I guess this means you won't let me play with it at your fields? I could go semi-only, but I can still get 5+ rounds/second in semi, so it's like a burst function.
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