Club Name & Insignia

No offense but I am going to ditch the Militia title...when we make posters it will take allot of reading to understand that we are not a bunch of militia want to be. I love your though Mike. I'll e-mail it off to the lady and try to get something back here in the next couple of days.d

I think the closest mountian range is the McGregors...3 hours away.

We are in the foot hills of the rockies. And there's Piolt Mountain.

Yah no worries, I just wanted to put something that we didn't have on the list, I just wanted to be different... like I said before change what you want, or let me know and I will...

Hey Bill, I thought PG was located on the Nechako Plateau and Pilot Mountain was in Banff? There must be more than one Pilot Mountain. Although I guess PG does have mountain ranges on all sides and if you continue up the Fraser you get into the Rocky Mountain Trench.

How about NARC - Nechako Airsoft Ranger Corp or even FART - Fraser Airsoft Ranger Team.

Sorry guys I have been a big slacker so the designs havn't gone out yet. I'll try tommorow.

OK as it is I am sending the moose option that mike made and asking if they can use Prince George Airsoft as our name.

I am looking for a catch phrase for our group instead of smith latin name meaning...no offense smith just didn't want the team named after one guy.

1337 NOOBS
Hardcore to the hardcore
No matter what the weather AIRSOFT
Sun, Rain, Snow, Airsoft

Named after one guy?

Virtute non sanguine translates roughly as "With Virtue not with Blood"

Seemed fitting for airsoft, IMO.

I liked it, but that's just my opinon. I personally don't like anything that says Noobs or about the weather. Haha, I hope Horton you were just playing around with that, cuz I found them to be quite entertaining...

Maybe just a plain CIRCA 2005, or Airsoft, or something if you don't like Virtute non sanguine. I think that Hardcore to the Hardcore or anything like that just sounds cheesy, I mean do we have to fit in with the guys off ASC?

Anyways, we can't quite fit in with them yet, as we don't have our resident fat guy yet ...

I've been putting on the weight since I got marries...I'll get there.

I googled
Virtute non sanguine
With virtue not with blood
Clough
early 17th c.
Siddons notes that this is "the motto of Smith's coat."

that's the reason I thought it was part of your family thing...because it is. Where did you get it from smith?

I never thought of the Circa 2005...smart. I just wanted more writting on the badge with some meaning. I was mostly joking with the NOOB and weather deals, looking for some filler.

My Paternal side is actually descended from the Ford's, my Dad was adopted by his stepfather and they changed his name.

Lots of different mottos for Smith, but I got it from a list of Latin motto translations not from a particular surname. I searched the list and it's associated with Southby not Smith.

Southby Virtute non sanguine By virtue not by blood


http://www.4crests.com/commonmottoes.html




Here's the Smith ones.



Smijth Qua pote lucet He shines whenever possible

Smit Delectat amor patriœ The love of country delights

Smith Benigno Numine By benign providence

Smith Canada Canada

Smith Cum plena magis Rather when she is full

Smith Dum spiro spero While I have breath I hope

Smith En Dieu est mon espoir In God is my hope

Smith Ex usu commodm Advantage from its use

Smith Floret qui vigilat He is prosperous who is vigilant

Smith Hold fast Hold fast

Smith Hneste, fortiter Honourably and bravely

Smith In medio tutissimus In the middle path safest

Smith In seipso totus teres Fully furnished in himself

Smith Luceo non uro I shine, but do not burn

Smith Macte Go forward

Smith Marte et ingenio By war and wit

Smith Maturé In good time

Smith Mea spes est in Deo My hope is in God

Smith Mors in vita Death in life

Smith Nec deficit Nor is another wanting

Smith Non deficit alter Another is not wanting

Smith Non in vita Not in life

Smith Non invita Not by constraint

Smith Rapit ense triumphos He gains victories by the sword

Smith Semper fidelis Always faithful

Smith Sine sanguine victor A bloodless conqueror

Smith Smite on, quoth Smith Smite on, quoth Smith

Smith Spero meliora I hope for better things

Smith Suaviter, fortiter Gently, boldly

Smith Tenax et fide Persevering and with faith

Smith Tenax et fidelis Persevering and faithful

Smith Tenax in fide Steadfast in faith

Smith Vigilans Watchful

Smith Dominus salus mea The Lord is my safety

Hortons Heros wrote:

I've been putting on the weight since I got marries...I'll get there.

I googled
Virtute non sanguine
With virtue not with blood
Clough
early 17th c.
Siddons notes that this is "the motto of Smith's coat."

that's the reason I thought it was part of your family thing...because it is. Where did you get it from smith?

I never thought of the Circa 2005...smart. I just wanted more writting on the badge with some meaning. I was mostly joking with the NOOB and weather deals, looking for some filler.

I can't see Smith using that motto as Blacksmiths made swords, blood would have been good for business.

Here's where I originally found it.

http://www.heraldryclipart.com/s.html

And again it is associated with Southby not Smith.

I'm on night shift and bored, so here's some other good ones. I'll include the names they're associated with just for fun, they're in no particular order. While looking, I've noticed that a lot of different surnames have the same motto.

Hunter Vigilantia, robur, voluptas Vigilance, strength, pleasure
Hurt Mane prœdam, vespere spolium Game in the morning and a feast at night
Hutchon Fortis est veritas Truth is strong
Abney In veritate victoria Victory is in truth
Arrat Pax armis acquiritur Peace is acquired by arms
Ballycumber Invictus maneo I remain unconquered
Baron Fortuna juvat audaces Fortune favours the bold
Jordan Percussa resurgo Being struck down I rise again
Kyrle Nil moror ictus I heed not blows
Lindsay Mortua vivescunt The dead revive
M‘Moran Pro lusu et prœdâ For sport and prey
Pleydell Imitari quam invidere To imitate rather than envy
Shannon Spectemur agendo Let us be viewed by our actions
Smith Sine sanguine victor A bloodless conqueror
Sparrow Honestas optima politia Honesty is the best policy

Hi dave, sorry about the delay I wanted to get a price quote from the digitizer on your logo. Please see attached logo for the idea you were looking for.

I think it would be best for you to get the whole thing digitized with fill so you are able to direct sew in onto garments as well if you choose to do so at a later date. I told the digitizer that the + behind the moose head is to be a separate color from the black and the green. Cost to get the logo "digitized" for embroidery is a one time fee of approx $175.00 plus tax. I quoted on a size of approx 3 inches wide. This would be a good size for crests.

After the logo is "digitized" we could then make the crests. Cost on this is $9.00 each and this includes them to be marrowed around the edges. Taxes are extra.

Time frame on this would be a couple of days for the "digitizing", a couple of days to embroider the crests and then off to be marrowed and that will take about 2 weeks, so probably about a 3 week turnaround.

Please let me know if you have any questions

Dang, would it be safe to assume that club fees would be going towards some of this?? Umm and just a question, what is everyone's feelings towards the proposed logo?

CLub fees would go up a bit and hopefully cover a badge for all who break the corporal rank or for those who don't break the rank then a little bit extra to cover cost.

Just cause your a corpral. Just joking!
I'm asuming that's why the club fee jumped for this next milsim? One question how many badges will that $175 get us?
I think that any one who wants one (is active) in the club should pay the cost of a badge at the next game they come to, that way it all gets payed for and everyone gets dinged evenly. I'm saying this because we have a few new people to the club that I think well be active members but they aren't near corpral rank yet and I don't think they should have to pay so that others get a free badge, Everyone should be even in what they pay for one of these things. That's just my openion.

Bill just to clear things up, I believe that the $175 just gives us the ability to get these things embroidered. After it get's digitalized (that's what the $175 is going to) it would only cost $9 for a badge...

Horton please correct me if I'm wrong but that's what I got out of your post...

I would think that the club should pay a certain amount, then it's up to the rest of the players to make up the difference. For example the club pays $75 of the $175, that means we as players need to pay the rest of the $100, and on average I would think that we have atleast 10 committed players, so that would mean that we each pay $19 to get a badge. Then if any noobies come that want one, they have to pay a higher fixed amount, say maybe $25 or something. I dunno, that's what I think about this, either that or maybe do it like a bb order, and whoever does it charges what they want...

club fees went up so that we could help cover the badges prices and also so that we can buy good props for the upcoming milsim.

I really have no idea how it should work for buying them, I would love to just give them away but I know that the club doesn't have that much cash right now. I wouldn't want people paying over $15 for their badge though. Thoughts.

I think raising the club fee to buy patches is kind of unfair considering that all the players (even those who don't want patches) will have to pay higher field fees. I don't think it's fair for everyone to have to pay for something that they are not going to benefit from. For example there is no point in Donovan or Chris getting a patch as they rarely get to play in PG. If they were to come to one of the games with higher field fees to pay for club patches they would be helping pay for something that they would never use. No offense, but if that were the case we'd be playing with the FSJ or Grande Prairie guys instead. Personally I already spend about $90 to drive down, and I've even driven into PG to pick up other players on several occasions. I don't think it would be fair for me to have to pay extra so some of you guys can have cheaper arm patches.

I think you should start a list of people who want patches and then when you have a firm number of people interested, use that to determine how much to charge them and collect it in advance to pay the $175 fee. You could then charge an additional $5 for any patches you sell after the initial order, that way you'd be giving the people who helped get the patches made a discount. IMO that would be the fairest way of handling it.

Wayne

Here's another quote

Sorry for the delay in replying to your request, but unfortunately I was out of town
and the e-mail was missed.
To embroider crests as per the image that was on the attachment, I would have to
send the image to be digitized (put into stitches) first. This would cost approximately
$125.00. By looking at the moose logo, the light green areas would be the cresting
material, with the moose, lettering and the cross areas embroidered. The size of the
crest that I am quoting would be in the 3 inch high range.
The cost per crest after merrowing the edge (to finish off) would be $8.25 each. Taxes are extra.
If you have any questions, please let me know.
Cindy

I would tend to agree with Smith, just to make things fair. But also coming from a club point of view it would be fair to raise field fees too. So the only suggestion I have is that field fees should stay the same. The only reason I'm saying that is because we saw what happened to our player base last year when "The Boneyard" raised their fees we lost players. From a noob point of view after rentals and club fees they could drive to Mackenze twice, okay maybe not but you get the idea.

Leave the club fees as is, unless the extra and all the fees are going to cover props for the next milsim.

Or

The guys who want badges, put their club fees into a different place and that pays for the total cost to digitalize it. That way their club fees are still going towards something for the club.

Something else I see is that if we raise the field fees, then guys like Chinese and Yuu who may not want one have to pay for everyone else to get one.

Anyways, that's what I have to say about the subject...

the field fees raising this week are not connected to the badges, they are for the game props. Different games, different fees.

EDIT- I gotta watch what I write I totally wrote two different things in the last three posts, sorry guys. When I raised the field fees this week my first intenion was to get better props and put money into the day. My second thought was to take the left over money from that day (if any) and put it towards the digitizing costs. Again sorry I condradicted myself I hope this edit clears up my intentionsm, please post your thoughts.

I realy think we need a list of people who want a patch and divide the fee for patches between them. It would be nice if the club were to pay for part of the digitization. I realy don't want to see club fees going up so that some of us can put a piece of cloth on our sleves. admit it the patches are usles unles we start playing more out of town games. and even then they aren't nesecary, they're meant for idenification and we can usualy reconize who's on our own team. Unless we make it so that the patches completly screw our camo (I mean something like flouresent orange) they aren't going to help with friend or foe recognition. How often do you easily see a 3" by 5" section on a targets arm clear enough to tell if they have a badge.

I would take one as long as it doesn't cost more than $15

I have kept out of this thread 'cause I am indifferent to badges. But I agree somewhat with Gryph, do we really NEED badges or do we mearly want badges?

I think spending money on professional props is a much better idea, ie grab some of those new remote claymores, than spending money on something non-functional.

Admittely I am biased in that I am a gun/mech whore and not a gear whore. If we gather people who want badges together and get them as a group order (hint hint), then little more discussion about money is needed.

I think badges can serve as a way to tie people together and create some club spirit, especially usefull for public outings and other demonstrations. They also serve as a mark of the "elite", members who really embrace what the club is and what it is doing.

I will put my $ in for some badges, but I think that the local badge person is too expensive.

Here are some links to patch companies:

http://www.wholesale-patches.com/
http://www.ebik.ca/en/home/index.html
http://www.americanpatch.com/
http://www.logosoftwear.com/custompatches.php

Mind you, if we go this route, we are looking at larger orders, and shipping, etc. A better product, potentially cheaper, but only if orders in batches of 25+...

-Doug

My thinking was that once someone attends enough games (corporal or higher) with the PG club then they have really shown that they want to be a part of the club. The club would say thanks for coming out by giving them or helping them out with a badge. That was just my thinking.

My issue with buying props for the club is that someone has to look after them all day. I won't buy stuff like radios becuase all of our have been lost and noone has taken any initative to go and find them because they "belong to the club". Props for games like dynamite, timers and that kind of stuff is OK with me becuase if we loss it we don't have to worry as much. (one stick of TNT and a timer is aroudn $5, while a radio costs $30 a piece). Anything really expensive will just get lost or broken so I would rather get members something that they can look after on their own like a badge, hat, bag of BBs, propane adaptors etc.