SystemA PTW Group Order Poll

So, many have been jumping on the SystemA PTW band-wagon lately and I must admit that I am very impressed with the PTW.

So, I am curious, are there other people here who are interested in getting a PTW, and if so, would you like to save a little by doing a group order?


http://www.systema-ptw.com/News/

http://www.zshot.com/TB-060615.asp
-shows the different models

-Doug

I only wish... those things are worth more than my entire supply of epilepsy medication even if I sold it on the black market lol!

Well, if one group orders in bulk, people could score one for less than 2k. Of course, that is not including batteries, extra cylinder, etc.

Still, put together how much you have spent on your gun(s) so far. If you pawn off some gear and guns, you might have enough.

That or buy some real steel for 1/4 the cost

-Doug

I'd be in... I guess...

beach_boy wrote:

I'd be in... I guess...

lol, another year of school living on Kraft Mac? Boy, airsoft really killed my eating habits in school.

Mind you, I am waiting until the next gen comes out. The M773 PTW special edition has the newer 490 motors and some fixes so I assume by later this fall/winter we will see the next gen come out. This will give some time to sell,save,murder to get enough funds ready.

That is one so far... Do be warned, you will need to grab some mags for this to work out right, and a lower cylinder to play with some sanity.

-Doug

I was pretty tempted to drop that 2 grand on that one on ASC... it better sell soon....

yeah, heck, even grabbing those mags would be worth it on a split.

Mind you, SystemA M16A3 MAX is what I have my eye for one, or the generic M4, the CQBR and other chops are just too short for my liking.


-Doug

Your just too big of a wimp haha... Hopefully Kip (wiseowl) will be back when I arrive in Sask, and I can try his Systema M16 out...

Let me know how the M16 is. More accessories for the M4, especially front ends. But, hey, with an M16 length and the SystemA power, finally an electric "sniper" that might actually be worthwhile.

Still, I will probably just go the M4 route.

-Doug

with my RS collection almost complete (2 more to go, cheap ones) I guess that's my next move...sometime next year

=FRAG= wrote:

with my RS collection almost complete (2 more to go, cheap ones) I guess that's my next move...sometime next year

Yeah, I think real steel is much cheaper and just as entertaining. Maybe that would be a better investment...

But, I would like to get some more serious gaming in now that I am out in Alberta (Land of the Hardcore Airsoft). As seen with my butcher gun, I have kept striving for a gun that shoots farther than I can see, but nothing has done that yet, save for the new'ish SystemA PTW MAX's.

I would really like to get games going with some weapons that make people WANT to wear the gear and armor. I am ever increasingly frustrated when you have someone in the sights, the BB's are going there, you swear they are hitting, but the person gives little reaction. I must admit this is reminiscent of the old FPS threads striving for hardcoredom, getting people to take their hits, not based on their lack of honesty but on the yell of pain. But I regress... Still for the shear technical ability of the PTW, I truely think that having a few in the club would really get people to start taking cover and not standing in the open "magically" dodging shots. which I am guilty for

Sooo, that is a potential 3 in the order so far... (all with different buy dates, hmmmm)

-Doug (another long day at work rant )

Just an update on the rumor mill!

Rumor Mill wrote:

Rumours were going that SYSTEMA was working on the development of a new model, the SYSTEMA PTW MP5.

Now Rumours have it that SYSTEMA is also working on a SIG552 model!

Meh, nether of these guns really interest me, where's the G36?! Still, an all metal, proper dimension, ultra-realistic MP5 would go over well. A SIG 552... meh... clunky mags... Maybe modded to a 550 super sniper platform...

-Doug

I have been in contact with Mark over at A&A and it looks like an order is going out this next week. Now I am not sure if that means that it is already sent out but I will keep it updated. If it is, it looks like I am going to jump on the band wagon. That means there will be a bunch of guns selling off here for cheap.

-Doug

I had the opportunity to try out macguyver's systemas yesterday. F'ing amazing! They feel and sound 100 times better than any other airsoft gun I've ever tried. Solid, hefty and very accurate. He had the 450fps cylinder kit in one of them and holy shit did it shoot hard.

Is he still using the M150 in games or did he tune it down? If anyone wanted a reliable semi sniper platform with crazy FPS, a PTW MAX is the way to go.

On a note of orders, I am beginning to see why so many players are getting frustrated getting in specialized merchandise. Mind you, I found someone that may be interested in letting go of a MAX. We shall see. Elsewise, I will order through 007, A&A is too unreliable right now.

-Doug

Wayne, you shot both the M150 kit (455 fps with .25) and the M130 kit (395 with .25).

I will say this to you, if you truly want a PTW, don't be to worried about getting in on a group order to save money, unless you have an importer in your back pocket. These have come in through only 3 guys and nobody got a deal. Most guys were/are paying $2500 for an assembled MAX and $2000+ for the MAX kit.

I will also say to avoid the kit. The PTW is an easy gun to work on once you understand the methodology behind the design and function. But until you do, it will be completely alien to you as it shares little in common with any other AEG. And if you mess something up, you will be ordering parts. Spend the extra and get the assembled MAX. Avoid all Gen 3 kits specifically as you will have to assemble all 211 parts (no pre-assembled blocks like the gearbox or cylinder).

The M733 is the most current gun they have made, but they only made 120 for worldwide sales and they are pretty much all gone.

I would not wait for any new models. Systema has had them on the drawing board for years with no apparent progress. That being said, they might announce 3 new models next week. But, I wouldn't hold my breath, if you know what I mean.

And I only game the M150 in full-auto and CQB or thick brush fields where you can't really see you opponent until the last minute.

Usually, I use the M110 (355 fps with .25) or the M130 (395 fps with .25), depending on the club I play at. I used the M110 on the 9th in Edmonton and got bitched at 3 times for using a hot gun. After the game, I got the fellow with the chrono out and we set the record straight. Those guys don't believe that I could outrange a gun of equal velocity by a quite a bit and the figured I was changing cylinders on the field. You have to abandon all you know (or think you know) about the principles of airsoft guns as they don't apply to the PTW.

But, if you do want to buy one, budget to spend $4000. Get the gun in Canada, but go the U.S. for everything else. Make sure you order all your accessories at once (mags, batteries, cylinders) or Customs will rape you on the duty and taxes (and inspection fees as well). You don't need more than 6 mags (and trust me you don't want to carry more than that as they weigh a freaking ton). But get the M110 cylinder for sure and you may also like the M130. Order yourself some replacement nozzle o-rings as well. I've ordered from Steven at Empire Airsoft in Michigan and they are pretty good to deal with. And it helps that Wallace at Z-Shot is only about 30 minutes away, so if something you want is in the U.S., you can get it quickly.

Thanks for the great summary McGuyver. This thread was started before scouring http://www.systema-ptw.com/ but your post basically summarizes up anything to be said. Seriously folks, Macguyver summarized a heck of a lot here.

Especially the mention of http://empireairsoft.com/ (they are the few ones I have seen with parts ever in-stock).

Now, as for group orders, the only thing saved here is the individual shipping. What is important is the availability due to the absolutely unreliability of most retailers right now. If someone actually finds a retailer willing to do a special order, everyone might as well know and jump on board, rather then battle the slew of email and BS on their own.

-Doug

Just FYI, A&A just got in 13 PTWs in 7 different models today, along with the correct PTW batteries (very important, don't cheap out), mags and cylinder kits (except M130). Worth a look, but don't get sucked into buying the kits to save a little money. Get the assembled ones that have been QC'd at the factory and there won't be any assembly issues arise later.

If you are serious, I would act fast as there are some rare and sought-after models in there, including an M733 (which I think is a little over-priced, but Mark will do that if it's a gun he wants to keep for himself).

ha ha ha, no kidding! The prices were all over the board there. Still, it was worth the money.

-Doug

You should get a Doff Custom barrel for it. Word is they are the best way to go for the PTW. #-burst or semi-only is easy to do as well. When you see how quick you can fire in semi, you may never want to use full-auto anyways. Then, most fields will let you use the M150 for semi-auto only guns.

I agree. It looks like this sucker is going to continue to be a money trap. At least it fits real steel accessories so purchases will not be wasted...

Also, having picked up a burst model, I full heartily agree with the semi-repsonse time. Having decked out previous guns to attempt a good timing, I truly look forward to something that does not *&@# up sometimes when in semi. It is nice to have a reliable select fire rifle for a change. I was always afraid (and thus club rule changes) that semi would fail and someone would get a burst. This is a good opportunity to have a reliable, accurate, and far shooting marksmen rifle. One that obeys the club rules for snipers but is easily changed into something in the mid-engagment range.

Finally, I must admit, if it weren't for your constant plugging of SystemA, I doubt that I would have gone this path. You really are the voice of SystemA in western Canada, thought of asking for commissions?

-Doug

Commission, hahaha. I got a really good deal from Mark (I mean REALLY good) when he first brought one in for me. Since then, he's been a solid supporter of them. He's tired of always being the bad guy when a gun doesn't work. He doesn't build them, but when a guy buys a $600 CA and it's DOA, they want him to cover it.

Not to mention he's ex-CF, so he's used to the real thing and these guns impressed him quite a bit. I think that's why he has the M733 priced so high, so that guys won't buy it and he can keep it for himself.

It may not look like it as he rarely has them in-stock and yesterday's bonanza is indeed a treat. I think they are in such demand that Systema in Japan can't build them fast enough. Some of the models he has are not the most popular (you noticed that M4 and CQBR MAX are not in there) as that was probably all he could get.

I have Gen 1 and I actually had it listed for sale last year as I was (and still am) unimpressed by it's performance. But when I read more into the new MAX versions, I took a chance (why not?) and decided to try one out. As soon as I did, I immediately ordered a second one. Now, I will keep my old Gen 1 and bring it up to MAX standards as the basic platform is there.

They have their quirks like anything else. For example, your M16 (if it has the 6.04mm barrel) will have a 14.5" M4 barrel instead of a 20" barrel. Sounds crazy, right? But it doesn't hurt accuracy or range at all, and does allow you to do an M4 upper with just the receiver/outer barrel set and retain your barrel/hop-up assembly. If you don't plan on making it that modular, you can always buy the hop-up mod from IBICO on the PTW forums and get a 6.01mm barrel for your gun.

I've had the chance to play around with a new M16A3 MAX and it was this way as well and the owner was just blown away by the range and accuracy over his previous AEGs.

And just so you know, there are 5 PTWs in GP (I have 3 of them), 3 in Edmonton and about 10 in Calgary. So they aren't that rare in Alberta and becoming more popular all the time.

Damn, I scoured the ptw forums and I missed that little fact. Which, in turn, was exactly what I was wanting to hear, having originally aimed for the M4. That would explain why they stopped making the different cylinder sets, only selling M4 ones now. Now I can happily mod away with little worries.

Now, as for Alberta being PTW capital, cough cough, where do think that I work out of, ha ha ha. I am sure that once more people in BC get a chance to handle one (and BC economy picks up), then we will see more on this side of the border.

-Doug

Well, if you pass through GP on your way home, stop on by. You can get to everything PTW related, as I pretty much have all that they offer.

You home in January Brad? I have got to hold one of these.